Hi.
I have a 103A1 and it is running ok.
Except that it leans to the right. I have to keep my hands on the handlebar, because if i dont the scooter leans to the right!!!
Any tips?
I would also like opinions on the replacement carburetor from the club and the electronic regulator.
Mine dont work so good and i am thinking in changing them.
Greetings from Porto-Portugal
It leans to the right.
It leans to the right.
Greetings from Portugal
Rui Tavares
Rolls (Heinkel) Roller
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Gleiter2
Hi Rui,
I am running the "all new" club carb since about 12.000 kms and it is great.
Lately I`ve installed a leaner jet (110 to 108, bought from BING directly, very expensive !) and I never had ANY worries, much so like at least one other 103 A-2 I know of. Some people run a 105 jet, but the club does not support ANY change to the lean - it seems they are afraid of holes in pistons due to too lean a mixture.
The carb is easily adjustable and you can use the original cables.
Make sure you buy all the required stuff: air filter and its mounting etc. !
About the electronic regulator: I´ve bought it some weeks ago and it works great, again like in few other scooters I know about.
Greatest advantage in my opinion:
should there be ANY trouble there`s two new components VERY unlikely to be the cause, thus more time and thought for other possible defects !
And there`s good support from the club !
About the leaning to the right - no good thoughts from me, apart for checking EVERY nut and bolt from the front axle to the steering column as well as tires, tire pressure etc.... .
Should this fail - mmmmhhhh, I hope there`s someone out there to give you a hint !
Regards !!!
stefan
I am running the "all new" club carb since about 12.000 kms and it is great.
Lately I`ve installed a leaner jet (110 to 108, bought from BING directly, very expensive !) and I never had ANY worries, much so like at least one other 103 A-2 I know of. Some people run a 105 jet, but the club does not support ANY change to the lean - it seems they are afraid of holes in pistons due to too lean a mixture.
The carb is easily adjustable and you can use the original cables.
Make sure you buy all the required stuff: air filter and its mounting etc. !
About the electronic regulator: I´ve bought it some weeks ago and it works great, again like in few other scooters I know about.
Greatest advantage in my opinion:
should there be ANY trouble there`s two new components VERY unlikely to be the cause, thus more time and thought for other possible defects !
And there`s good support from the club !
About the leaning to the right - no good thoughts from me, apart for checking EVERY nut and bolt from the front axle to the steering column as well as tires, tire pressure etc.... .
Should this fail - mmmmhhhh, I hope there`s someone out there to give you a hint !
Regards !!!
stefan
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Gleiter2
... oh yeah:
Make sure to run an intake-tube modified by the club with a "Pertinax"-type fitting (you´ll have to send a stock one to the club and receive a reworked one).
There seem to be some people experiencing trouble with boiling petrol in the tank, especially in hot conditions, just in case you did not know !!
Or run a specimen made of stainless steel.
Any questions concerning that - just ask (per "pn" i.e. "personal message" ???)
Bye !
stefan
Make sure to run an intake-tube modified by the club with a "Pertinax"-type fitting (you´ll have to send a stock one to the club and receive a reworked one).
There seem to be some people experiencing trouble with boiling petrol in the tank, especially in hot conditions, just in case you did not know !!
Or run a specimen made of stainless steel.
Any questions concerning that - just ask (per "pn" i.e. "personal message" ???)
Bye !
stefan
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Gleiter2
Hey Rui,
I`ve seen the picture of you and your scooter on the "www.HeinkelTourist.com" - page.
Very nice, a beauty !
I´m not sure why nobody answers your quest - if you still have the leaning-problem, please write, I´ll try to find out what is wrong !
Regards
stefan
I`ve seen the picture of you and your scooter on the "www.HeinkelTourist.com" - page.
Very nice, a beauty !
I´m not sure why nobody answers your quest - if you still have the leaning-problem, please write, I´ll try to find out what is wrong !
Regards
stefan
Yes, I still have those problems, and thanks for your interest. Maybe not many people there understand english.
Thanks also for liking my Heinkel. You can also take a look at it on my homepage in http://www.heinkelnorte.pt.vu with a special passenger on it
What happens is if i take my hands off the handlebar the scooter immediatly drops to the right no matter what the speed. The "Rahmen" was inicially bent on the front and was repaired. It looks good now but... The rear wheel seems to make an angle with the floor. May the problem be there?. I have doubts if the rubber mountings are correct. While looking at the 103A1 "Handbuch"I came across this picture and i got even more confused:
One of the metal mountings is on top of the rubber support and the other under, or it seems!!
And should the rubber supports be mounted with the higher side to the top or the bottom?
As you see I have lots of doubts. Maybe you have some answers.
Thanks
Rui Tavares
Thanks also for liking my Heinkel. You can also take a look at it on my homepage in http://www.heinkelnorte.pt.vu with a special passenger on it
What happens is if i take my hands off the handlebar the scooter immediatly drops to the right no matter what the speed. The "Rahmen" was inicially bent on the front and was repaired. It looks good now but... The rear wheel seems to make an angle with the floor. May the problem be there?. I have doubts if the rubber mountings are correct. While looking at the 103A1 "Handbuch"I came across this picture and i got even more confused:
One of the metal mountings is on top of the rubber support and the other under, or it seems!!
And should the rubber supports be mounted with the higher side to the top or the bottom?
As you see I have lots of doubts. Maybe you have some answers.
Thanks
Rui Tavares
Greetings from Portugal
Rui Tavares
Rolls (Heinkel) Roller
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Gleiter2
Hey Rui,
Message from Heinkel-Service (25.06.1958):
"On 103 A-1 from frame-number 179152 onwards the left rubber engine-mount has to be fixed from the underside of the frame linking point."
(Had to translate this from not-so-good German, but the general meaning is captured and correct ! The right one, of course, has to be fixed from above !!!!)
This is what I found in the forum. There was some general confusion about this every now and then, but this seems to be quite safe.
My A-2 has the same type of mounting and runs perfectly straight.
The big end of the rubber mounts have to be "down", so the assembly order is, from top to bottom:
1- "wing"-formed engine holders
2 - fixing of the rubber mount (The metal sheet with the two screwholes. Left: UNDER the frame arm. Right: ABOVE the frame arm)
3 - the big rubber end of the mount, under the frame on both sides
4 - the big metal washer, i.e. round metal shape.
The big screw runs through the lot.
As you put this together, you will see the intention: the engine and entire rear of the scooter will rest and float on the big ends of the rubbers, the pressure coming from the lower side.
As I am writing this I have not looked anywhere else for a picture yet, but I will as the written form is hard to understand, I know... .
Also I will translate your thread to German to make it accessible for more expert people.
But before that I need to know one thing: you wrote that you fixed the bended frame, let`s assume that that is correct.
But: has the scooter always leaned after you assembled it, or is this new ?
Oh yeah, rotate the location of the three rubber mounts "once in a while" (The front one to the right side, the right side one to the left, the left side one to the front) !
As some people say that you have to check the contact "coals" (Kohlen in the "Handbuch") of the Dynastarter every 12.000 Km, that might be the timing. This reduces wear of the rubber.
Hey, pure curiosity: what do you do for a living, how did you learn your English ?
Regards
stefan
Message from Heinkel-Service (25.06.1958):
"On 103 A-1 from frame-number 179152 onwards the left rubber engine-mount has to be fixed from the underside of the frame linking point."
(Had to translate this from not-so-good German, but the general meaning is captured and correct ! The right one, of course, has to be fixed from above !!!!)
This is what I found in the forum. There was some general confusion about this every now and then, but this seems to be quite safe.
My A-2 has the same type of mounting and runs perfectly straight.
The big end of the rubber mounts have to be "down", so the assembly order is, from top to bottom:
1- "wing"-formed engine holders
2 - fixing of the rubber mount (The metal sheet with the two screwholes. Left: UNDER the frame arm. Right: ABOVE the frame arm)
3 - the big rubber end of the mount, under the frame on both sides
4 - the big metal washer, i.e. round metal shape.
The big screw runs through the lot.
As you put this together, you will see the intention: the engine and entire rear of the scooter will rest and float on the big ends of the rubbers, the pressure coming from the lower side.
As I am writing this I have not looked anywhere else for a picture yet, but I will as the written form is hard to understand, I know... .
Also I will translate your thread to German to make it accessible for more expert people.
But before that I need to know one thing: you wrote that you fixed the bended frame, let`s assume that that is correct.
But: has the scooter always leaned after you assembled it, or is this new ?
Oh yeah, rotate the location of the three rubber mounts "once in a while" (The front one to the right side, the right side one to the left, the left side one to the front) !
As some people say that you have to check the contact "coals" (Kohlen in the "Handbuch") of the Dynastarter every 12.000 Km, that might be the timing. This reduces wear of the rubber.
Hey, pure curiosity: what do you do for a living, how did you learn your English ?
Regards
stefan
Hello.
First of all let me tell you that you have been a great help.
Here in Portugal few people know how to deal with Heinkels, and even fewer know about some details.
As I like these machines very much I try to help other have them in shape.
I am a Computer Technician in a Bank, but I was also an English Teacher for some years. And you? How can you write such good english?
About the frame: Your explanation was fantastic. I believe that the problem with mine may be the angle of one of the wheels with the floor.
It has always leaned to the right. Even before it was restored. If the front one, then the frame was not fixed correctly, if the rear then it may also be the "arms" of the frame, or the mounts. Mine are mounted exactly as you described, except for the big metal washer that simply is not there!!
The rubber mounts are new, from the Club.
Best Regards.
Rui
First of all let me tell you that you have been a great help.
Here in Portugal few people know how to deal with Heinkels, and even fewer know about some details.
As I like these machines very much I try to help other have them in shape.
I am a Computer Technician in a Bank, but I was also an English Teacher for some years. And you? How can you write such good english?
About the frame: Your explanation was fantastic. I believe that the problem with mine may be the angle of one of the wheels with the floor.
It has always leaned to the right. Even before it was restored. If the front one, then the frame was not fixed correctly, if the rear then it may also be the "arms" of the frame, or the mounts. Mine are mounted exactly as you described, except for the big metal washer that simply is not there!!
The rubber mounts are new, from the Club.
Best Regards.
Rui
Greetings from Portugal
Rui Tavares
Rolls (Heinkel) Roller
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Gleiter2
Hi Rui,
back with new insights:
- the floorboard COULD be bent,
- the mountings for the floorboard could be bent,
- the frame steering head/front could still be bent,
- the engine DOES turn to one side - the right - in the mountings when the scooter is packed with weight - about 1 cm WITHOUT any load should be OK, more does make a problem,
- check the alignment of the wheels. Put the scoot on a plain surface, set the steering straight. Lie a long, straight wooden board next to the wheels and make sure,
- then check: is the floorboard in line with the ground , that is horizontal ? Do the wheels stand straight, i.e. vertical and in a right angle to the floorboard ?
I asked why the washers could be missing on your scooter, I hope for a respond !
Should you encounter more problems - put in a few photos of the underside of your Tourist in a thread. Some of the mates in the forum are more than willing to help !
`till next time
stefan
back with new insights:
- the floorboard COULD be bent,
- the mountings for the floorboard could be bent,
- the frame steering head/front could still be bent,
- the engine DOES turn to one side - the right - in the mountings when the scooter is packed with weight - about 1 cm WITHOUT any load should be OK, more does make a problem,
- check the alignment of the wheels. Put the scoot on a plain surface, set the steering straight. Lie a long, straight wooden board next to the wheels and make sure,
- then check: is the floorboard in line with the ground , that is horizontal ? Do the wheels stand straight, i.e. vertical and in a right angle to the floorboard ?
I asked why the washers could be missing on your scooter, I hope for a respond !
Should you encounter more problems - put in a few photos of the underside of your Tourist in a thread. Some of the mates in the forum are more than willing to help !
`till next time
stefan
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ruiporto
Hi.
I have been trying to read the post you made to ask others to help me.
Thanks a lot.
From what i read with the help of Google, i understood that the frame can be still bent, that i should mount the washers under the rubber mounts although i did not understand why and that a slight torsion on the rear wheel is normal. Did i understand correctly?
I still had no time for taking the pictures, but i will take care of that soon.
Bye
I have been trying to read the post you made to ask others to help me.
Thanks a lot.
From what i read with the help of Google, i understood that the frame can be still bent, that i should mount the washers under the rubber mounts although i did not understand why and that a slight torsion on the rear wheel is normal. Did i understand correctly?
I still had no time for taking the pictures, but i will take care of that soon.
Bye
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Gleiter2
Hi Rui,
gosh, you are good - and I am slow...not SO much time right now.
Right, the washers belong to the mountings. They are a security-device, should the bolts go astray... . I did not know that, but it seems to make sense.
The frame could still be bent, you got that right.
It all comes down to you finding a flat, even surface, putting the scoot on the main stand and carefully measuring and comparing.
The bending of the rear wheel when loaded seems to be normal, as one pal writes his master/degree about that and has done some research. But it seems that this bending is due to the fact that the shock has to do his job all by himself.
I did not understand it in its entiety, to be honest, but there seems to be no connection with your problem.
As there was not THAT much news in the posting I originally waited with translating for another posting.
I FORGOT: one very practical tip from that thread:
take a measure - two actually - from "ARM" to the rear top frame-tube.
That is: from the place where the rubber mountings are fitted STRAIGHT UP to the tube right above.
As I regard you as a very thorough person I may not need to mention this, but: make sure you measure in a perfectly symmetrical way, i.e. in the same manner on each side.
PLEASE post the results !!
The tip was: should the frame have fallen or hit anything at any point in its career, this may cause the difference.
But as the UNDER/OVER-matter of the rubber mounts STILL seems to be of some doubt - please post the results and I will pass them on !!!!
Let´s check before you hange anything !
Maybe fotos wont be needed, as your general setup seems to be right !!!
REGARDS
stefan
gosh, you are good - and I am slow...not SO much time right now.
Right, the washers belong to the mountings. They are a security-device, should the bolts go astray... . I did not know that, but it seems to make sense.
The frame could still be bent, you got that right.
It all comes down to you finding a flat, even surface, putting the scoot on the main stand and carefully measuring and comparing.
The bending of the rear wheel when loaded seems to be normal, as one pal writes his master/degree about that and has done some research. But it seems that this bending is due to the fact that the shock has to do his job all by himself.
I did not understand it in its entiety, to be honest, but there seems to be no connection with your problem.
As there was not THAT much news in the posting I originally waited with translating for another posting.
I FORGOT: one very practical tip from that thread:
take a measure - two actually - from "ARM" to the rear top frame-tube.
That is: from the place where the rubber mountings are fitted STRAIGHT UP to the tube right above.
As I regard you as a very thorough person I may not need to mention this, but: make sure you measure in a perfectly symmetrical way, i.e. in the same manner on each side.
PLEASE post the results !!
The tip was: should the frame have fallen or hit anything at any point in its career, this may cause the difference.
But as the UNDER/OVER-matter of the rubber mounts STILL seems to be of some doubt - please post the results and I will pass them on !!!!
Let´s check before you hange anything !
Maybe fotos wont be needed, as your general setup seems to be right !!!
REGARDS
stefan