New Heinkel owner

[Roi_Efrati]

Hello
My name is Roi and today I finished transferring the ownership on a Heinkel 150 (1964) I received last week.
It needs lot's of work (that will probably take me several years to finish) but overall it's in good shape.

I look forward to learning from you here about my Heinkel and if any body have any tips for me on where to start with the restoration I will be happy to learn.

Thank you in advance.

[BerndSt]

Hi Roi,

welcome to the Heinkel forum! Unfortunately (for you) this is an (almost) "German only" forum - do you speak (or at least read) a little German? If not, please don't despair! There will always be somebody who can translate for you (e.g. you may count on me for that purpose).

Most members of this forum have a lot of experience with the 4-stroke Tourist scooter. And there are some members, who own and know the "Kabine" (i.e. "Trojan") quite well. Your Heinkel is a 150ccm 2-stroke (and a quite nice one - congratulations). But I am sure, that you will get help whenever needed nonetheless.

Concerning your first question (where to begin your restoration project): First of all get the mounting instructions/manual at http://www.heinkel-club.de/t3/index.php ... 567707bb79 (it is in German, but has a lot of pictures in it, so you will cope).

My second advice would be, to dismantle your Heinkel totally. Begin with all the tin parts (and let the motor remain a whole unit and untouched for the moment). My best advice is: Keep a photo-documentation of every (!) step of your work. You will be glad to have it, once you begin to reassemble your scooter. Make a lot of detail photos. Mark every part you remove and keep all parts in some order (at best sorted by construction groups). Mark parts not only by where they were at disassembly but mark also their mounting positions, rotational direction etc. Wherever in doubt, make additional detail photos (storage space is cheap, being unsure at assembly is not).

It would be good to know, in which condition your engine/motor is. If it was decommissioned for a long time better do not start it without previous inspection. It is no rocket science to dismantle, clean, understand, repair and reassemble a 2-stroke engine - I'm sure you will accomplish it quite easily.

Are you already a member of "Heinkel Club Deutschland"? If not I would recommend to become a member. This is (of course) not necessary to get answers and help from participants of this forum, but it helps immensely whenever you have to buy spare parts. The "Club" runs a extraordinary helpful and well sorted spare part supply company and you have a good chance to get almost every needed part there (at reasonable prices). Just look at http://www.heinkel-club.de/ for more information.

I wish you a Merry X-Mas and welcome again,
Bernd

P.S.: I've just seen that you are from Israel. I hope X-Mas greetings are in order nevertheless? I didn't intend to commit a faux pas - and Chanukah is already over this year, is it not?

****************** SHORT TRANSLATION / KURZE ÜBERSETZUNG **************************

Ich habe mit diesem Beitrag Roi herzlich im Forum begrüßt. Ich habe ihn darauf hingewiesen, dass dieses Forum fast ausschließlich in Deutsch ist, ihm aber angeboten, bei notwendigen Übersetzungen behilflich zu sein.

Dann schrieb ich ihm, dass hier zwar vorwiegend Besitzer von Touristen und Kabinen unterwegs sind, dass er aber trotzdem bestimmt auch Hilfe zu seinem 2-Takter bekommen kann.

Mein erster Rat zu seiner Frage, wo er mit der Restaurierung beginnen soll war, dass er sich die Montageanleitung besorgen sollte.

Dann habe ich ihm geraten, mit der Demontage der Karosserieteile zu beginnen und den Motor erst einmal komplett beisammen zu lassen. Weiterhin habe ich ihm empfohlen, eine umfangreiche Fotodokumentation anzulegen und alle demontierten Teile genau zu markieren (und nach Baugruppen geordnet zu lagern). Auch habe ich ihn darauf hingewiesen, Teile nicht nur danach zu markieren, wohin sie gehören, sondern immer auch Einbaulage, Drehrichtung und ähnliches festzuhalten.

Mein nächster Rat war, den Motor erst einmal komplett zu belassen. Falls der Roller längere Zeit still gestanden hat, war mein Rat, den Motor nicht ohne weiteres zum Laufen zu bringen, sondern ihn besser vorher zu zerlegen, zu reinigen, zu prüfen und wieder zusammen zu bauen. Ein 2-Takter ist keine Raketenwissenschaft und ich bin sicher, dass Roi damit leicht zurecht kommen wird.

Schließlich habe ich ihm noch nahegelegt. Mitglied im Heinkelclub zu werden, weil er beim Ersatzteildienst fast alle Teile zu vernünftigen Preisen bekommen kann, dafür aber Mitglied sein muss.

[heinkel-bernd]

Servus BerndSt,

das hast Du gut gemacht !

Hallo Roi,

Auch von mir ein herzliches Willkommen hier im Forum !
Ich wünsche Dir viel Spaß und Erfolg bei der Restaurierung Deines Rollers !
Leider beschränken sich meine Schrauber-Kenntnisse auf den Heinkel-Tourist !
Es gibt aber im Forum genug "Zweitakt-Spezialisten", die Dir bei Bedarf sicher weiterhelfen !

Und , wenn es dann so weit ist, pannen- und unfallfreie Fahrt !

[Roi_Efrati]

Unfortunately my German is not so good. I but with the help of Google translate I can understand most of what is written and also improve my German at the same time.

Martin already sent me the price-list and I have downloaded the work book from the site that show how to work on the engine.

I have started to disassemble the back cover but from some reason it will not come off.
If any body can take me true it step by step it will be very helpful.
I have already removed the seat, the luggage carrier and the back lights. do I need to disconnect the fuel line before the back parts come off ?

I see that the spark plug is non standard. was it like this originally or did someone at some point put the wrong plug there ?
and after I will remove it, how do I check if the engine is turning ?

[Wolfgang56]

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[*]I see that the spark plug is non standard. was it like this originally or did someone at some point put the wrong plug there ?
and after I will remove it, how do I check if the engine is turning ?[/quote]

Hello Roi,
to check wether the engine is turning and not seized, just remove the sparkplug, engage the 2nd or 3rd gear and push the scooter forward with released clutch handlebar- normally the rear wheel will turn the crankshaft via the drive chain and you will hear the piston movement due to the previously removed sparkplug. It is preferable to inject some lubricant (oil spray) into the cylinder before attempting the turn check of the engine.
Good luck!
Wolfgang

[BerndSt]

Hi Roi,

unfortunately I do not know how to remove the back cover of a 150. But I will translate your question to German, so readers who do not speak English are able to answer it for you.

Would you please make a photo of the supposedly wrong sparkplug and put it in the forum? Otherwise it is not likely that you will get an answer to this part of your post.

And now here we go:

*************** ÜBERSETZUNG VON ROI's FRAGE UND BITTE UM ANTWORT *********************

Hallo Heinkelfreunde,

Roi hat Probleme damit, die hintere Verkleidung an seinem 150er abzubauen und bittet dafür um Hilfe. Er schreibt dazu:

"Ich habe damit begonnen, die hintere Abdeckung abzubauen aber aus irgendeinem Grund will sie sich nicht abnehmen lassen. Falls mir jemand dabei helfen könnte und mir sagen würde, wie man das Schritt für Schritt macht, wäre das sehr hilfreich.

Ich habe bereits den Sitz, den Gepäckträger und das Rücklicht abgebaut. Muss ich auch noch die Benzinleitung abschrauben, bevor sich die Verkleidung abnehmen lässt?

Ich kann erkennen, dass die Zündkerze nicht dem Standard entspricht. War das bereits im Original so oder hat irgendwer zu irgendeiner Zeit hier eine falsche Kerze eingebaut?

Seine weitere Frage, wie man prüfen kann, ob der Motor dreht, hat ja Wolfgang schon beantwortet.

Ich habe Roi bzgl. der Frage zur Zündkerze geraten, davon ein Bild ins Forum zu stellen.

*************** ÜBERSETZNG ENDE *******************
Viele Grüße,
Bernd

[BerndSt]

Hi Roi,

I just had a look into the manual for the 150 and found the passage how to dismantle the rear cover. The "Montageanleitung" says:

Kraftstoffhahn schließen und Kraftstoffschlauch vom Kraftstoffhahn herunterschieben. Verbindungsstecker für Brems- und Rücklichtleitung trennen. Federbein am Schwingarm lösen (SW 19), 2 Sechskantschrauben mit Rohrsteckschlüssel (SW 14), 2 Zylinderschrauben - mit Innensechskant - mit Inbusschlüssel (SW 8 ) lösen. Mittelstück abheben."

I will try a translation:

"Close fuel tap and remove fuel hose from fuel tap. Disconnect cable connector for break light and rear light. Remove spring strut shock absorber unit from radial arm (wrench size 19). Dismount 2 hexagon head screws with socket wrench (wrench size 14), 2 hexagon socket head cap screws with Allen key (size 8 ). Take off rear cover."

I hope you will find the screws mentioned above - look for them inside the rear cover (at the Tourist the rear cover is mounted to the frame with 2 brackets/clamps and I guess, that at the 150 this is similar).

Hope this helps.

Greetings from Germany,
Bernd

[Werner]

Hi Roy,
my first heinkel i bought in 1997 was a 150 and i still ride it today. I overhauled it completely in1997. Taking the rear cover off is quite easy. Take bottom screw of rear shockabsorber off, then remove fuel pipe from carburettor, disconnect the connectors for rear lights, remove two screws from underneath the rear cover at the end of the frame ( use 14 mm spanner ), remove two screws at front of rear cover close to the floorboard. Notice: Tank and shockabsorber will come off togeteher with rear cover. To avoid geting injuries and damaging the scooter place a jack or a piece of wood undernearh the engine before taking all the screws off,. The sparkplug size is different to ordinary sparkplugs its thread is a bit bigger. Good luck werner

[Roi_Efrati]

Thank you all for the tips and explenations.
As you can see, the back is off.

I also checked and found that the engine is NOT seized

Any body know how to disconnect the "150" emblems from the sides ?

from the inside it has two "bent" pins. can I just bend them back or is there a trick to it ?

[anh]

Have a look to your part list
Part 23 a describes the "speed fix"
Remove carefully the "speed fix" from the two pins. There is a high risk to demage the pins. However, I would not spend too much energy into the look and feel of your scooter The most critical part is the engine. Have in mind. Just 7000 of these model have been produced - less than a few hundreds have survived. Therefore parts of the engine are rare. Get the engine running and the rest is just time and money.

BTW: I am curious to learn, how the scooter has made it to Israel. Do you know more?

Andreas